Fire Engines Photos

Any reason these are not operational yet ? or is it the same old story with these ?

Added by John Johnstone on 04 August 2009.

Now that looks a serious piece of kit! Great photo. I hope that they have a lower center of gravity than other CARPs.
Regards
Richard

Added by Richard Aston on 04 August 2009.

Whose the other multistar in background?.

Added by Richard Whiting on 04 August 2009.

Are they not on the run because of similar problems as the Central Scotland appliances?

Added by John Mc Ateer on 04 August 2009.

Don't look as bulky as the Strathclyde ones. Is there as much space for equipment as a standard wrl? Also where will they be allocated?

Added by Scott Hum on 05 August 2009.

i think thats centrals white elephant in the background it was also seen at its annual outing to truck fest last week great value for money.

Added by Tam on 05 August 2009.

They didn't work in the 1970s. And wont work now.

Added by Paul Warnock on 06 August 2009.

Too right Paul, but remember the jobs that depend on the wheel being reinvented! Then cover it in flashers and fancy stripes and call it a "new" idea, works every time!

Added by John Stott on 07 August 2009.

I take it that this is a combination WrT and ladder? We call these quints in the US and they are quite common. Many departments run these as first run or stand alone units. The city next to mine has 4 stations, and in each, they use a quint as the first out appliance on all calls. They are backed up by 2 WrLs and a L4P used as a brush? tactical truck (ems calls, parking garage fires, narrow driveways).

So, I have read scathing comments before about the
CARPs(?) (and what does that stand for?) in the UK, and I was wondering why?

Added by David on 07 August 2009.

David, theres an office in every local authority now and people are employed to think up new names for anything! This idea ( I like to think CARP stands for "Commercial Aerial Rescue Pump" ) It was tried in the seventies and died a death for various reasons. Now its just an excuse to cut manning and save money ie not having a TL. The problem with these so called fire appliances is they are unreliable. They have yet to prove themselves and in parts of the country are slowly being disposed of to save embarrassment to certain people.

Added by John Stott on 08 August 2009.

Also Combined Aerial Rescue Pump

Added by Richard Whiting on 08 August 2009.

Lets hope this is better than our shambles of a machine in Suffolk!!! Bought in 2008 and still not operational!!

The J reg TL that its replacing is doing ok though!!!!!!

Added by Peter Bromley on 08 August 2009.

Lol i dont think we will see that multistar ever on the run!

Cant beat a TL shame theres not many of them being brought across the UK LFB latest ones are very smart and useful as already seen in the incidents they have attended.

Added by Richard Whiting on 08 August 2009.

David:
I believe the problem in UK (as it would in the rest of Europe) is weight. I don’t know if the CARPs just are too heavy loaded, but they definitely can’t be as heavy as their American counterparts. They don’t fit in on small, tight roads.

Added by Tom on 08 August 2009.

Richard, just goes to show that LFB knows a good design because they are used more often ie daily. If ever there was a need for the NFS to be reinstated its now. One design, one price and the same training countrywide.

Added by John Stott on 09 August 2009.

Maybe a bit far John! haha

I am happy with the way Suffolk is i don't know about other brigades!! I like our originality!!!

Added by Peter Bromley on 09 August 2009.

I was told CARP stood for Combined Aerial Rescue Pump. Does anyone know which is correct?
Regards
Richard

Added by Richard Aston on 09 August 2009.

It varies from brigade to brigade!

Added by Peter Bromley on 09 August 2009.

You are correct Richard it is a Combined Aerial Rescue Pump

Added by Barrie Green on 09 August 2009.

Richard you are right, thats just my sense of humour!
Peter, you can have a county identity still, but given the money thats wasted in some counties it gone beyond the joke, we have one paying £3000 for a white roof on a machine, whilst another trials a French van with Polish body and fitments. Thats not to mention different Carps, Enhanced Rescue Pumps etc to name a few. No, the jokes on the taxpayer, we pay for fire cover not machines that never go on the run and cost the earth. At least with standardisation there would be scale of economy. Its worked in the Defence Fire Services for a long time. Training people on a standard pump and other machines also increases efficiency, lowers cost and makes brigades work together better.

Added by John Stott on 09 August 2009.

This CARP is mean to go on the run come september/october following crew familiarisation. The 2 CARP's will be based at Sighthill and possibly Tollcross or Mac Road. The reason for their delay in entering service was to do with software issues in relation to the jacking system and gradient system. Apparently it has now been sorted by the German company!. Feedback from crew training still shows some suspicion but it's going okay so far.

Added by Stevie Murray on 09 August 2009.

Hi if this is the vehicle that BFRS have just ordered it will be delivered to us poss APRIL 2010
Go operational august after training F/F and driver training Im a response driving instructor

Added by ROBERT SHEPPARD on 24 December 2009.

Hi folks thought you might be interested in that
BFRS have ordered a new T/L also known as A/P will
Be deliverd 2011 cost 500.000 pounds a picture is on how BFRS WEB SITE

Added by ROBERT SHEPPARD on 09 January 2010.

Lothian and Borders FRS have officially announced today (29/10/10) that their two Multistars will not enter service due to safety fears about their stability when cornering at low speeds. FDuring tests conducted it was noticed that the rear wheels were lifting off the ground at roundabouts, at relatively low speeds - 20 mph and below. One ARP was operational at Sighthill in Edinburgh for about a month before being taken off the run due to safety issues. The TL which the muiltistar replaced has now been put back on the run at Sighthill.

Central Scotland FRS have 2 multistars on volvo chassis and these have now been put up for sale depsite never being used.

Added by D.Cruickshank on 29 October 2010.

The one in the background appears to be SN08COA.

Added by Andrew Middleton on 04 November 2010.

I see today, that L&BF&RS are taking legal advice over the supply of these machines. I'm going up to Edinburgh again next week to place my application in with Lothian Buses. What are my chances of photographing the CARP's chaps?

Added by Andrew Middleton on 12 November 2010.

Both L&B Multistars have had the booms removed from them and will be used for driver training only following the decision not to use them due to safety issues.

Added by D. cruickshank on 08 October 2011.

Hi D. Cruickshank! Another exemple of wasting taxpayers money.

Anders F. Sweden.

Added by Anders Fallström on 30 August 2014.

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