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This has a rear mounted pump, which begs the question of how the PP was carried. The DIN specification for the TLF16/24 did not call for a PP, so this must have been a one off for Bissingen. Pumpers with PPs were indeed very common at the time, but these all had front mounted pumps, so that the rather bulky PP back then could be accommodated in a rear locker - where the main pump would otherwise have been installed. It was also the case that none of these had a water tank ( for weight reasons) - much less a 2.4 ton tank!

Or, just possibly, someone got the description wrong?

Added by Rob Johnson on 23 October 2025.

Spot on Rob, you are correct no portable pump! Something went wrong with the description!

Added by Jacques PETER on 25 October 2025.

The other question arising from this description is the reference to a seven seat cab. Although the L1113 cab was available with a dual passenger seat, which would have resulted in a total seven seat crew cab, the DIN norm was for a single front passenger seat, and the crew accommodation requirement was for a total of six. Again, there was nothing to stop this brigade from having a dual front passenger seat, but it was not a general requirement, as OICs generally preferred to ride alone. A lot of US apparatus actually had dual front passenger seats for decades, because of the very common set back engine design. However, it was very unusual for company officers to have anyone riding with them. The lesser mortals belonged in the jump seats or - more often - on the back step!

Added by Rob Johnson on 26 October 2025.

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