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Perhaps an effort to save costs after buying Scania appliances in the past?

Added by Rob Johnson on 02 August 2022.

Rob Johnson, no, Retained have the Iveco's as they are all Pumps. There are some Retained Scania's but they are all RPL's. The Iveco's are slightly smaller than the Scania's and are more suited for the country area's that the Retained Station's serve. Ashford has one Wholetime appliance, the Scania in the background, and this Retained Pump

Added by Christopher Stone on 03 August 2022.

Thanks! picture 43433 does actually illustrate your point rather well, as it has the new Iveco models next to a Scania.



Added by Rob Johnson on 03 August 2022.

Chris, do you know what stations received the 70 and 71 plate Iveco's

Added by John Humphreys on 04 August 2022.

John,
70 Plate gone too
ASHFORD , CHILHAM , WYE , DOVER , ASH CUM RIDLEY , EASTCHURCH , SOUTHBOROUGH

71 Plate - WHITFIELD , FOLKESTONE , DYMCHURCH , SITTINGBOURNE , LENHAM , TONBRIDGE

Added by Brian on 04 August 2022.

John Humphreys, the 70 plates are :- SP70AED at Aldington, ADZ at Wye, AEB at Southborough, AEC at Ashford, AEE at Whitstable, AEG at Chilham, AEJ at Ash-Cum-Ridley, AEK at Eastchurch, AEF at Dover, the only "71" one I know is ST21ZHL at Lenham

Added by Christopher Stone on 04 August 2022.

Thanks Chris and Brian, did not realize there were so many.

Added by John Humphreys on 08 August 2022.

Kent have had 3 batch's of Iveco Pump's the first two, on the older chassis have JDC bodywork, ( there's two slight varieties), the 70/21 ones are Emergency One bodied


Added by Christopher Stone on 10 August 2022.

A cost-saving exercise full stop. I was talking to a retained firefighter from Kent who told me so. He also said these Ivecos aren’t up to the job. He said they were utter rubbish.

Added by Yelp Bullhorn on 15 September 2022.

Yelp. After Magirus merged with Iveco they began to try to confine their production to Iveco chassis after they stopped building their own. This approach was an abject failure, as their customers (the vast majority of whom were in Germany) insisted on having their Magirus pumps, aerials, tankers and specials much more often built on MAN, Mercedes and - to a lesser extent - Scania or Volvo chassis.

Added by Rob Johnson on 16 September 2022.

I think you will find this is a 17ton not a 14ton that on call firefighters are inflicted on in Kent, this one is a trial machine to see if it could replace Scania , it didn't, cabs not got enough leg room for a short person ....

Added by Alan Ramsay on 20 August 2025.

Alan Ramsay, The one posted above, SP70AEC, is from the last batch of Retained, (On-Call), Pumps, it's not the trial appliance. That's ST24LKO which was at Thames-Side, and is larger than the retained ones.

Added by Christopher Stone on 21 August 2025.

Can anyone explain why retained firefighters get a different appliance. I can think of three possible explanations.

1- the units are used less frequently, so do not need to be as durable.
2- the units are easier to operate and have less comprehensive equipment, as retained firefighters are deemed to be less capable.
3- the large numbers mean that budget constraints result in having to buy less expensive vehicles.

It seems most fire brigades which operate both full time and retained ( or, in other countries, volunteer ) firefighters tend to move older full time units to the retainers or volunteers, although many - especially in Germany - do supply them with new vehicles to the same specifications as the full time crews ride.

Added by Rob Johnson on 21 August 2025.

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