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F.D.N.Y. Ladder 24 i New York
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No: 42030   Contributor:   Year: 1997   Manufacturer: Seagrave   Country: United States of America
F.D.N.Y. Ladder 24 i New York

March 1997 New York
Picture added on 13 September 2020 at 12:14
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This is from the same series as the FDNY ladder - I think it is Ladder 3- at the 911 Memorial. As well as being severely damaged, this Seagrave ladder has lost part of its manufacturer's badge on the side, just above the forward rear right side wheel arch. Instead of reading "Seagrave" it now just reads "grave".

Food for thought...

Added by Rob Johnson on 15 September 2020.
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Not easy to identify, it is really a mess!

Added by Rob Johnson on 18 September 2020.
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I wonder why they changed it? FDNY do not often modify their apparatus or equipment specifications or designs, and are probably one of the most conservative departments in the US. I recently saw a video of Rescue 3 switching their equipment over to a new truck after ten years of operating the old one. Apart from a few dings on the older rig, they looked identical - and everything transferred over in to identical locations on the new unit. I think they have an "if its not broke, don't fix it" mentality, although I would add that they did very successfully completely revolutionize the emergency medical service in NY city very quickly in only a few years after they took it over.

Another innovation was the roof coffin on engines. Each company can choose whatever they want to put in it, as long as it fits and is not too heavy - but it is not the most accessible place to stow anything!

Added by Rob Johnson on 24 September 2020.
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My son lives in Brooklyn and a few days ago E226 attended a medical call next door to his home. It is based at 409 State Street in an 1889 vintage station! Although as you say many of these are very tight - and one reason the Baker Aerialscopes are still being replaced by new ones - there is one advantage. They are very close together, because they were originally designed around the distance a team of horses could pull a rig at speed before they were tired out - and this means the first engine can usually be on scene within four or five minutes, even in traffic.

FDNY has only five Rescue companies - which does not compare very favorably to London's fourteen, especially as they do not operate rescue engines. Historically, the NYPD Emergency Service units carried out a lot of rescue duties, and even operated a fleet of heavy rescue trucks which were virtually identical to typical fire service units.

But I think the idea of doubling up the availability of rescue rigs makes a lot of sense, if of course the personnel manning these reserve units are as well trained as the existing rescue companies.

On the subject of innovation, I continue to be surprised that - as far as I know - Boston is the only major US city to have adopted CAFS on all their pumpers, although it is very common in many smaller departments. In Belgium, France, Germany, the Netherlands and Poland CAFS is pretty much the "go to" solution on all pumpers bought in the last twenty years - and such items as fognails and cold cutters are widespread as well as being standard equipment in Scandinavian countries.

I know structures differ from one country to another, as do firefighting tactics, but I do wonder sometimes why effective innovations like these take so long to be adopted in some places...

Added by Rob Johnson on 26 September 2020.
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