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Bedfordshire's Newest Rescue Pump
This is the newest Scania Rescue Pump and was delivered in December 2006 but not on the run until Janurary 2007. It is based at the Counties Training Centre at Kempston(in Bedford). It is used for EFAD Driver Training(Emergency Fire Appliance Driver). I have seen it on Driver Training a number of times past the end of the road where I live. It's great to this appliance go past with the blues & twos and the bull horn sound LOUD!!!
The first Scania Rescue Pumps were delivered in 2002-2003. They had the old traditional red and white striped livery and red and white wheels. Now the brigade have changed the livery to the battenburg livery which many brigades use. I think Bedfordshire changed the livery because and old one wasn't very visible in the day time.
In the brigade now, there are 6 Scania's with the new livery, these were the newest delivered in 2004-2006. The first 3 are KN54 registered and others are KX55 registrered. The other 2 KX55 Based Scania's are at Luton station(KXX HWW & KX55 HWY).
This is the newest Scania Rescue Pump and was delivered in December 2006 but not on the run until Janurary 2007. It is based at the Counties Training Centre at Kempston(in Bedford). It is used for EFAD Driver Training(Emergency Fire Appliance Driver). I have seen it on Driver Training a number of times past the end of the road where I live. It's great to this appliance go past with the blues & twos and the bull horn sound LOUD!!!
The first Scania Rescue Pumps were delivered in 2002-2003. They had the old traditional red and white striped livery and red and white wheels. Now the brigade have changed the livery to the battenburg livery which many brigades use. I think Bedfordshire changed the livery because and old one wasn't very visible in the day time.
In the brigade now, there are 6 Scania's with the new livery, these were the newest delivered in 2004-2006. The first 3 are KN54 registered and others are KX55 registrered. The other 2 KX55 Based Scania's are at Luton station(KXX HWW & KX55 HWY).
Disagree with you here, Alex.
I was driving on the motorway in light snow last week, checked my mirror - a yellow car was coming up in outside lane, headlights on - as did most vehicles ( suprisingly! ) - it was incredibly visible, stood out like a sore thumb, it was 10 times more noticeable than your dark coloured cars ( even though everything had headlights on ).
Same with motorbikes, some people have you beleive that if they have headlight on, that's all they need - but bright clothing just makes the bike so much more noticeable, in a way I can't scientifically explain.
Bit different cause I suppose an engine would still stand out cause of the uniqueness of blue lights ( providing it's not a very bright day, obviously )
But I still think bright markings can offer things that blue lights can't - which is why I've always thought fire appliances should be yellow - it's just stupid to persist with red in this day and age, in my opinion.
Added by Charlie on 10 February 2009.
I was driving on the motorway in light snow last week, checked my mirror - a yellow car was coming up in outside lane, headlights on - as did most vehicles ( suprisingly! ) - it was incredibly visible, stood out like a sore thumb, it was 10 times more noticeable than your dark coloured cars ( even though everything had headlights on ).
Same with motorbikes, some people have you beleive that if they have headlight on, that's all they need - but bright clothing just makes the bike so much more noticeable, in a way I can't scientifically explain.
Bit different cause I suppose an engine would still stand out cause of the uniqueness of blue lights ( providing it's not a very bright day, obviously )
But I still think bright markings can offer things that blue lights can't - which is why I've always thought fire appliances should be yellow - it's just stupid to persist with red in this day and age, in my opinion.
Added by Charlie on 10 February 2009.
I see this conversation is old and only brief but I would like to offer my thoughts on fire engine visibility.
I believe the single biggest cause of drivers not seeing fire appliances, at least in the UK is due to poor standards of driving from the public drivers not the service drivers. If the public were better trained and more aware of their surroundings they would see and then respond correctly to the emergency vehicle.
With ample blue lights, which I think this Scania has, then visibility when in motion should never be a problem regardless of the vehicle colour. When parked in the "fend off" position the battenberg reflective is more important and does aid visibility although other more imaginative designs would be just as safe.
On a personal note the now standardised red vehicle with battenberg livery is boring and I would welcome services keeping their unique and imaginative markings, such as Bedfordshire and West Sussex's stripes and the yellow appliances of years ago.
Added by Monkey Boy The 3rd on 14 July 2011.
I believe the single biggest cause of drivers not seeing fire appliances, at least in the UK is due to poor standards of driving from the public drivers not the service drivers. If the public were better trained and more aware of their surroundings they would see and then respond correctly to the emergency vehicle.
With ample blue lights, which I think this Scania has, then visibility when in motion should never be a problem regardless of the vehicle colour. When parked in the "fend off" position the battenberg reflective is more important and does aid visibility although other more imaginative designs would be just as safe.
On a personal note the now standardised red vehicle with battenberg livery is boring and I would welcome services keeping their unique and imaginative markings, such as Bedfordshire and West Sussex's stripes and the yellow appliances of years ago.
Added by Monkey Boy The 3rd on 14 July 2011.
I agree with your comment Monkey Boy, Battenburg livery is no good when it's not on the front. A unique livery (such as that of Hampshire, black and yellow stripes on a beautiful red background) is much more visible. Hampshire also use amber in their lightbars purposely to make the appliance more visible.
Added by David Jones on 14 July 2011.
Added by David Jones on 14 July 2011.
I contribute regular to these forums, I would have agreed with "Alex" I do a lot of mileage on a pedal cycle and if I, ever had a fiver for the times that cars and buses and also commercial lorries cut me up I would be a millionaire. So six months ago I decided I could cope with this situation no-more my nerves being shot to pieces so I have started wearing Saturn Yellow Vests Helmet etc when in heavy traffic and main roads, (yes I know its common sense) and wow! what a difference this makes cars and trucks really give you space and this is due to visibility you stand out so I now believe charlie has a valid point although this does not apply to emergency vehicles the situation is the same, bring back I.C.I Coventry Yellow incidently on one of these forums displayed is an Australian Brigade with yellow Scanias Wow! do they look the part especially the A.L.P I think it may be Sydney.
Ed : I think Bob have this one in mind.
Added by BOB CARVER on 15 July 2011.
Ed : I think Bob have this one in mind.
Added by BOB CARVER on 15 July 2011.
I too am a fan of Hampshires use of colours, stripes and lights. I like Grampians white appliances but feel they too could do with more reflectives but not necessarily battenberg.
The scania pictured is indeed a fine looking machine but in my opinion not different enough to a commercial crane, it is not immediately identifiable as an emergency vehicle, perhaps when illuminated it is far more eye catching and imposing. Non-the-less it is a fine looking machine.
Historically Coventry's yellow appliances are a favourite and I would welcome a modern take on yellow in the UK.
For my own indulgence I will share with you my thoughts on the ideal livery and colour. I would like to see a white appliance with a red pin-stripe reflective around the outer most edges of the vehicle and a single broad line of alternating rectangles, like battenberg but just the one line. Manchester international's crash tenders have the livery I like but I would rather see it on white, and of course the usual blues on roof, grill, sides and rear. The red pin-stripe should include details like the wind mirrors and details on the front such as the grill.
My local ambulance service have started using white led strobes in their light bars and from experience and EMT testimonials I believe these are very effective. My local police have strobes in the headlights as opposed to alternating headlights and these are considerably less effective.
Added by Monkey Boy The 3rd on 15 July 2011.
The scania pictured is indeed a fine looking machine but in my opinion not different enough to a commercial crane, it is not immediately identifiable as an emergency vehicle, perhaps when illuminated it is far more eye catching and imposing. Non-the-less it is a fine looking machine.
Historically Coventry's yellow appliances are a favourite and I would welcome a modern take on yellow in the UK.
For my own indulgence I will share with you my thoughts on the ideal livery and colour. I would like to see a white appliance with a red pin-stripe reflective around the outer most edges of the vehicle and a single broad line of alternating rectangles, like battenberg but just the one line. Manchester international's crash tenders have the livery I like but I would rather see it on white, and of course the usual blues on roof, grill, sides and rear. The red pin-stripe should include details like the wind mirrors and details on the front such as the grill.
My local ambulance service have started using white led strobes in their light bars and from experience and EMT testimonials I believe these are very effective. My local police have strobes in the headlights as opposed to alternating headlights and these are considerably less effective.
Added by Monkey Boy The 3rd on 15 July 2011.
In my opinion (as en emergency care practitioner for east midlands ambulance service) regularly driving on blues, whatever colours or combinations of blue/white lights/strobes/LEDs and noise are used due to incredibly poor driving standards people don't move and still manage to run into you on a job! All our trucks are yellow base colour with yellow/green battenberg. I often wonder if I have actually switched all the lights on, as trying to get through traffic is more like walking through mud!
Added by James Thompson on 15 July 2011.
Added by James Thompson on 15 July 2011.
It's the shear self ignorence of these people that I find depressing. Only last week, some idiot cyclist came out of a junction without looking and I had to brake to avoid him. In a 10 tonne bus this is no easy feat I can tell you. Unfortunately an old lady fell and sprained her ankle to which I had to call on our local Ambulance service. Car driver as just as bad. They see a bus and "I've got to get in front" mentality takes over. Wonderful the forward facing Cameras on the buses are these days; after the Police have seen the footage it's goodnight Vienna.
Added by Andrew Middleton on 15 July 2011.
Added by Andrew Middleton on 15 July 2011.
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Added by Alex on 04 May 2008.