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Could they be used as normal pumps?
Just seems a bit of a waste that they are used for driver training.
What's happened with the ladders that were on top?

Added by Danny jones on 01 April 2013.

They couldn`t be used as normal pumps as 1 of the vehicles had its magirus pump removed to replace one that was frost damaged that belonged to Central Scotland FRS which was given to D&G. The booms and all equipment that was removed from the 2 L&B Multistars was given to D&G.

Added by D.Cruickshank on 01 April 2013.

Would make a great Emergency Tender then lol....

Lets just hope that these fire services learn from their mistakes with these useless appliances.

Got to admit though they did look better than the likes of the merseyside monster

Added by Danny Jones on 02 April 2013.

Hi I think some laws have been changed and the driver training vehicles need to carry water and not concrete blocks. Hence l+b New water carrier also doubles as driver training motor.


Added by Colin Richards on 03 October 2013.

I haven't heard that one Colin, our DT vehicle is a curtainsider! I would have thought that the Multistars would have had automatic gearboxes ? DTs normally would be manuals .

Added by Barrie Green on 04 October 2013.

The reason behind these vehicles becoming DV's was down to the fact that the Fire Board instructed L&B to utilise these vehicles as they could not get their monies back on them and no-one wanted to buy them at the time. As they were compatible with the current type of appliance in service including automatic gearbox, they were allocated to the training school. They do not carry any kit apart from a small first aid kit in cab nor do they carry water on board due to the tank modifications carried out by L&B.

Added by Stevie Murray on 05 October 2013.

As far as I'm aware driver training vehicles now need to have manual gearboxes (with a 'splitter' I think) they also need to conform to certain dimensions set by the DSA (driving standards agency) they do not need to be fire appliances but can be if they meet the criteria set down and there is no requirement to carry water !

Some brigades bought special driver training lorries at great cost ! - whilst one brigade at least measured an appliance and found it met all of the criteria except length - so the brigade engineer mounted the rear lights on a purpose made extension (which looked very similar to an ice cream tub) and achieved the desired addition in length !at very little extra cost !!

Added by Rick Loudon on 05 October 2013.

Hi!
1; Spending a lot of cash on this vehicles.
2; Removing the booms due safety reasons.
3; Driver training vehicles has to be with manuel gearbox!That is in my world nothing but total madness!



Added by Anders Fallström on 15 July 2014.

Anders, i'm a serving firefighter and this is my opinion only, (well maybe) if it happened anywhere else people would be in jail!! , it stinks, it is a disgrace, from start to unfortunate finish it is wrong at every level and no-one was taken to task which makes it even worse , over a million pounds with not one single positive thing to show, it is th esingle scotish fire service which is left with the mess, there is a black hole of old appliances in scotland, not good condition old appliances but scrappers that shouldnt be on the road and brigades down south shouldnt be giving thier cast offs away abroad or selling them off they should be donating them to some areas of scotland , some are really that bad !!

Added by Jay on 16 July 2014.

I agree with Jay , the cost of these put off the cost of six yes six new pumps which is the legacy left to the new scottish fire service, this and similar legacies at the former central FRS and despite their protestations strathclyde (who say thiers work but they dont ) and tayside who say thiers are better than strathclydes and may be but still dont work , all these add up to millions and millions of pounds not spent on new appliances and high reach appliances that will take decades to recover from , the poor islanders left with a trailor with some hose and a pump to defend thier houses in a fire to the retained stations who are busy and are working old pumps that are frankly awfull(some come to workshops and are found to be not road legal!) and the wholetime stations with no high reach capability or even long reach capability , a national disgrace indeed!!

Added by Donny Maclean on 30 July 2014.

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