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Dennis F38  MTU317H
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No: 28411   Contributor: Steve Sparkes   Year: 2011   Manufacturer: Dennis   Country: United Kingdom
Dennis F38 MTU317H

Dennis F38 ex Macclesfield, Cheshire Fire Brigade.This was displayed at the Derby Fire and Rescue Show 19/06/2011.
Picture added on 22 June 2011 at 11:21
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Shame it's missing it's original acorn beacons and just be even more picky the station name should be on the crew doors. After serving at Macclesfield, it then entered the Driving School fleet, based at that time at Runcorn fire station. After service with Cheshire, it then went on to provide further fire cover in the county; with the Rolls Royce Motor Company at Crewe - some of you might have heard of them lol

Added by Adey on 23 June 2011.
There is an image of MTU317H when still in service shown on Delta 64 website. It shows the station name on the drivers door, also visible is a single acorn beacon centre mounted on the roof.

Added by Steve on 24 June 2011.
Just to add to above this 1969 F38 did have a single Acorn beacon and wooden bailey ladder when first in service at Macclesfield from 1969 with the location identity on the Front doors.
I suspect before leaving service the ladder was changed to the Aluminium Type with roof bracket adjustments. By the time it was serving at Rollys Royce it had the Two beacons which it is seen with today. As advised the early photo can be seen on the fire flash delta 64 website.
Although a lot of work has gone into cleaning and polishing and general maintenance this is as much as possible an original Cheshire F38

Added by Gavin Hall on 27 June 2011.
Gavin I think that whilst it was in service it was changed to an aluminium ladder, as the other 2 F38's that I remember from being service til the late 80's (WMA314E Stockton Heath & ULG997E Nantwich) had aluminium ladders. My pic of ULG997E appears on Norman's site

Added by Adey on 27 June 2011.
This old girl is currently living with me in Peterborough, it's receiving some new rear road springs, they appear to be the originals and are utterly shot to bits.

Added by Howard Godsland on 15 September 2011.
Nice to see it's still doing the rounds.Looks good.
I think you'll find when it carried the wooden ladder it was more likely to be an AJAX.

Added by Tony Jones on 19 November 2012.
Yes Tony, I bought an Ajax for it, unfortunately didn't look at it first and it's sell by date was well passed needing a great deal of work to restore.The machine has been to several shows and road runs this year after completion of numerous jobs, I think the dual plate clutch centre plate is loose and causing a vibration, so that is a job for the winter.

Added by Howard Godsland on 20 November 2012.
A number of F38's did the rounds as spares in Cheshire. Many a time at Chester we would have one on the run.The extra lockers on the rear decks were fitted later in their life.
Offset pedals and steering wheel seemed a bit strange at first. From what I can recall the gear changing could not be rushed. When jumping from an F108 to an F38 the gear changing needed to be much slower (the F108 necessitating a swifter change).
Double de-clutching both up and down the box helped tremendously on both machines.
The "Big Brother" to the F38 was in Cheshire the F36. Only two were bought; the Ex Wilmslow machine
DLG 413 F was a spare at Chester; an eight with a stick; a flyer!
Your machine looks well, keep up the good work.

Added by Tony Jones on 20 November 2012.
Thanks for the info Tony, very interesting, these photo's were taken whilst Gavin Hall from Telford owned it, I removed the rear deck boxes as they were not original and of little use, as you see Gavin lodged a roof ladder on top which he kept, I had an idea these machines didn't carry one ? it now has an ally short extension in it's place.
This F38 was built whilst I was in the job at Peterborough (now Cambridgeshire), our PE was an F28, REG 492 with the same engine, it eventually went to the Peterborough Volunteer Fire Brigade who rolled it down an embankment and wrecked it.They already had an F48, YEG 729J with a B81 which they bought themselves much to our envy !! it is still kept in a side garage at their station and appears at shows in the season, very nice it is too.

Added by Howard Godsland on 21 November 2012.
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