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Land Rover FC/Carmichael L4P ex Cheshire RTU 893H
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No: 22520   Contributor: Petros   Year: 1991   Manufacturer: Land Rover   Country: United Kingdom
Land Rover FC/Carmichael L4P ex Cheshire RTU 893H

1991 Duxford rally. Cheshire had a number of these Forward Control Land Rovers.
Picture added on 07 March 2010 at 10:20
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Landrover FWC/Carnicaheal Redwing FT6 RTU 893/894H were delivered to Cheshire County Fire Brigade in 1970. RTU 893H was allocated to Marple Fire Station and remained there until it passed into Greater Manchester County Fire Service on Reorganisation in 1974

Added by Soren Heeks on 07 March 2010.
Please could you tell me where abouts this vehicle is at the moment? I am a Firefighter based at Marple Fire Station and we have a framed photo on the wall of it.

Added by Robert Gall on 26 July 2010.
What were the capabilities and capacities of these LP units - pump. tank, ladders, crew accommodation, reels, hose, BA, foam, extrication equipment, etc?

They seem to have been a relatively short-lived concept. Does anyone know why?

Added by Rob Johnson on 17 April 2013.
They were actually very long lived appliances, they are Light 4x4 pumps not full sized appliances. Marples was replaced by C695AJA a Bedford CF/ Fulton and Wylie L4P in the mid 1980's. That carried BA but extrication gear was not a option really then, many brigades not using Combi tools etc on frontline appliances other than ET/RT at time. Cheshire replaced many FC Land Rovers with Land Rovers in the DMB-X batch of 4 seaters.

Added by Gary Simpson on 17 April 2013.
So, based on L-R gross weight capacities, I am guessing either a 350GPM or 500GPM pump, around 100 Gallon tank, four crew, no ladders, one hose reel and a few lengths of hose - and not much else! Was there a JCDD specification for these, or was it just up to the local CFO?

Added by Rob Johnson on 21 May 2013.
Can someone please tell me the pump rating of the Land Rover/ Carmichael Redwing FT6. I have been told that they mounted two pumps, one 350 gpm, and another 300 gpm. Is this correct, and, if so, what was the reason for this? Why not have a single 500 gpm pump, as Guernsey Fire Brigade's Redwing FT5 had?

Added by Bill Edwards on 08 December 2013.
Bill, I doubt they could have two pumps due to space. The MOD managed to squeeze a 450 / 650 Coventry Climax and a 100 gallon tank into this chassis ( there are pictures on here )
Robs right about the crew and tubing. Two BA sets and around sixteen lengths of delivery, four lengths of hard suction etc.
We also carried a 35' and 12' ladder.
Very useful appliances but prone to half shaft breakages.

Added by John Stott on 09 December 2013.
The Carmichael FT/6 was offered with the option of 3 pumps. K.S.B. 2 stage centrifugal 350gpm, Coventry Climax F.W.P. 300/350gpm, Coventry Climax U.F.P. 500gpm. The Cheshire ones did not have a fixed pump. They had a Coventry Climax exhaust ejector portable pump. The water tank capacity was 140 gallons.

Added by Ron Henderson on 09 December 2013.
What was the maximum water tank capacity, for a Carmichael Redwing FT6 with a Coventry Climax U.F.P. 500 gpm pump?

Added by Bill Edwards on 09 December 2013.
It seems that most of these brigades certainly maxed out the gross weight capacity of these - very tempting when the forward control configuration offers up so much body space!

The specification does combine most of what a fire crew needs most of the time, in a compact format with good off-road performance, at at a much lower cost.

So, the question arises - why do brigades no longer operate units like this?

Added by Rob Johnson on 17 May 2018.
I still survives.




Added by Petros on 06 October 2022.
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