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Landrover 101 and Carmichael Watertender Army
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 No: 8370   Contributor: Pete Matten   Year: 1975   Manufacturers: Carmichael, Land Rover   Country: United Kingdom
Landrover 101 and Carmichael Watertender Army

Photographed in the mid-1970's,this photograph shows a Land Rover 101 Forward control fire tender alongside a Carmichael Water Tender outside the Army Garrison fire station at Bordon in Hampshire,England.Its difficult to tell the actual year of manufacture of these appliances because of the Army registration numbers,which are..Land Rover 24 FK 36,and the other appliance,the Carmichael Water Tender being 67 HF 99.
Picture added on 01 June 2008
Comments:
Peter,

I have details for the Land Rover as follows: HMG MOD 11/71 and preserved by Foster Yeoman re=registration Q92FLE. I guess the Bedford is around 1982/3.

Frank

Added by Fire995 on 02 June 2008.
Frank, if the above Land Rover 101 is in presevation, why has'nt someone
put it on the site.Come on you fire-buffs, help us out...picture please.
Reg-No now, Q92 FLE.Someone somewhere surely must have a picture??????.

Added by Pete Matten on 02 June 2008.
That doesn't look like a 101 to me, they have completely flat fronts, not a short bonnet like that.
I suggest the base vehicle is a Land Rover Series 2B FC. The height of the headlights defines it as a 'B' - "Headlight mounted low down, with indicator and park light above".

Added by David Sparkes on 18 June 2008.
David,

I think it should be 110.

Frank


Added by Fire995 on 18 June 2008.
It is defiantly not a 101 but an earlier series 2 forward control. The 101's were military only




Added by Rich on 11 August 2008.
Hi Pete,

I took pictures of Q92 FLE in 2006 the appliance wasn't in preservation it was at lix toill garage KILIN, where it lay untill this year when as far as I am aware the new owners of the garage scrapped it along with another land rover fire engine.
archie


Added by Archie Mckinnon on 19 October 2008.
Thanks for that information Archie, shame, thats another
lovely military appliance gone to the scrap yard.Pete.

Added by Pete Matten on 19 October 2008.
i have just bought a 2b fc fire engine just like the picture in need of minor restoration Jim

Added by James Whittaker on 10 December 2008.
Good luck with that James they are worthy of restoration, I drove one for 4 years and loved it! The army used them for convoy duties as far as I know, also as a 4x4 for excercises needing fire cover. The RAF somtimes had them for escorting nuclear weapons. It is a 2b Forward Control, the giveaway is always the lighting some could be found in civilian service, Hertfordshire had one and the volunteer brigade at Leavsden Hospital had one up until 1993. I dont know if a register of remaining ones exists but they were a good machine. Pumpwise and equipment wise a useful piece of kit with a 35 foot alloy on all you needed was a decent water supply.

Added by John Stott on 11 December 2008.
Hi john thanks for the information it doesnt need much doing to it really its in pretty good shape for its age can anyone tell me are these vehicles test exempt. even though it wouldn't take much to put through a test.

Added by James Whittaker on 12 December 2008.
James I think you are MoT exempt on this, perhaps someone could clarify, otherwise the DVLC would be the port of call.

Added by John Stott on 13 December 2008.
thanks John I've been told if its over 3.6 tonnes its tax exempt cheers Jim

Added by James Whittaker on 13 December 2008.
James, I also own one and plan to restore it. It probably needs a new chassis, i think that's where the problem will be. It's in Warrington at the moment, but not on the road, I have been told that it does not need to be tested if it is operational? Good Luck.........Alan Lea

Added by Alan Lea on 16 December 2008.
A good example of how MOD fire appliance design wanders away from the rest of the world. Those Bedford Carmichael things had to be the most peculiar beasts ever. As I've asked elsewhere on this site (see Defence Fire Service Dodge G13 HCB Angus) why did/does MOD commision machines that are so different in design to civilian pumping appliance equivalents?. Surely it would be cheaper to tag a requirement onto a big civvie order?

Added by Tim Wingham on 21 December 2008.
The MOD never asked fire personnel about what was needed this was always done by Transport depts.we just got what was given in contracts.like or not!!

Added by Robert Ewing on 21 December 2008.
Roberts right Tim, we had a few monsters foisted on us, the worst had to be the Mk8 in RAF and RN service. Sometimes the MoD look in the spares cupboard and make a machine up from bits. The best domestic pumps were the Bedford / HCB Angus b types made in the early seventies with a coachbuilt body, good pump and crew accommodation. A factor in most Army Fire Service machines was ease of repair / spares in the field as army machines found themselves in some out of way places and needed to be fixed in field shops by REME. Generally though, some of the MoDs offerings over the years bear little resemblance to what the crews wanted.

Added by John Stott on 22 December 2008.
John, I remember those Bedford HCBs, especially the one at RAF Halton that ran away on its own, swooping majestically into the troop subway under the road. Heads must have rolled for that one!

Added by Tim Wingham on 22 December 2008.
Tim, I heard that was a snowdrop that let the handbrake off to settle an old score with the fire section!

Added by John Stott on 23 December 2008.
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